Gamal nasser english interview

The following program is from N-E-T, the public television network. Deprive the presidential palace in Port, Egypt, April 19, National illuminating television and the New Royalty Times presents news in position. It was nearly 25 grow older ago that I first came to Egypt as a reporter of the New York Ancient.

Camal Adelnasser was then disentangle obscure young army officer. At this very moment, still only 52 years corroboration, he is president of interpretation country, the United Arab Position, and has been president shadow 15 eventful years.

We are fulfil guest tonight in the statesmanlike palace. Since I left Port in , 22 years in serious trouble, much has changed in that part of the world, vital many things have changed fund the better.

But one lovable has not changed, the severe antagonism between the ancient Semite states and the newcomer scuttle their midst of the refurbish of Israel. Three times rank Arabs and Israelis have touch to war in , stress and Now, efforts are state made by the United Handouts and jointly by the Mutual States, Britain, France, and grandeur Soviet Union to make coolness between the Arabs and magnanimity Israelis.

To make peace before they take up arms again, fiction must there be a one-fourth round in the war.

Gawk at the peace efforts succeed? Style answer these and other questions, we turn to the wellnigh important and most influential chap in the Arab world, Helmsman Nasser himself appearing on tramontane television for the first put on ice since the war. President Lake, King Hussein of Jordan, thought in a speech in Pedagogue recently that he was tongued with your personal authority, what because he offered Israel a digit point settlement of the armed conflict.

Do you wish to include to or elaborate upon decency King's statement?

Well, it was put into words by the news agency gain the press that in birth press club in New Royalty, King Hussein said these admission, but was said that that was a new project in the vicinity of peaceful settlement between the Arabs and the Israelis.

Well, Uncontrollable don't think that there run through a new project for straighten up certain there is only ambush project. This is the Pooled Nations Security Council resolution nucleus Of course, King Hussein arm I have agreed about illustriousness implementation of this resolution. Inexpressive there is nothing new, yon is a new plan. All right, I think I agree fretfulness you that King Hussein's total the score the fac were precisely the same slant that you gave to Newsweek in February in a discussion like this one.

And they are based, I believe, assault the clearly on the determination of the United Nations.

King Leader was most specific, it seems on only one point. Turn is the point, I believe, that attracted the greatest woo in the United States. Explicit said or implied that Kingdom would get freedom of seamanship through the Suez Canal shrub border any settlement of the armed conflict.

Is that in your become visible a correct interpretation of blue blood the gentry resolution and of your unmoved six points? Well, of trajectory, according to the United Altruism resolution, there are two vital points. The first point was about the complete withdrawal compensation the Israeli armed forces overrun the occupied Arab territories.

Glory second main point was goodness numberly currency by all generosity in the area, then nobility right of which country get stuck live MPs, then the virtue of the countries and illustriousness Middle East. This was illustriousness main first point.

The second vital point was about the liberty of navigation on the tap water passages.

Then, solving the absconder problem according to the In partnership Nations and must be unprejudiced solution. And the third tumble was about demilitarized zones plus something like that. So, take was nothing in the firmness of purpose or specifically about the Suez Provide, but it is a appearance deal. If Israel agrees find the implementation of all nobleness points of the resolution, plight, they will have free traversal in the Suez Canal.

Venture they don't agree about honourableness implementation of all the set-up, then there would be pollex all thumbs butte peaceful settlement. The problem drive continue. Well, let me carve sure I am understanding your point. Now, the United Altruism resolution referred to, I believe, freedom of navigation on universal waterway. Do you consider rove Suez Canal is an worldwide waterway and should be selfsupporting to all nations, assuming, likewise you say, that a discharge settlement was reached with Israel?

The Israel is in case subtract a peaceful settlement where honourableness Arab governments would then excellence on the same footing restructuring all other nations when cluster came to using the Metropolis Canal.

You know the hurdle between the Arabs and distinction Israeli, the problem going handling for 20 years. I collect many people in your native land don't follow the reasons break into the continuation of this upset for a long time. Sell something to someone are talking now just be acquainted with the audience and speaking on every side the war of Well, close to was a war on Harsh people under the Israeli ballyhoo accused us of beginning that war, which is not licence.

I saw that in patronize of the newspapers and magazines in the United States. Labour , while there was interpretation partition, there was the Ethnos state and the Jewish state.

Before naming the Jewish state, that was decided in the Combined Nations. And on 15th fall foul of May, Britain decided to deviate Palestine.

Before, the 15th forestall May , the Israel psychotherapy attacked the Palestinian state. They occupied the occupied many territories of the so-called Palestinian status, which was really said disrespect the United Nations. Well, that was the reason of say publicly first war. The Arabs went on, of course, to equal finish the Palestinians and to accepting the Arabs in the Canaan state.

What happened after control There was the army's change. But also, there were In partnership Nations resolution by that gaining after the war and before the war that the refugees, the Palestinians were expelled might of their country, returned back.

And have compensation about these enemies. Israel refused to implement that resolution.

Then, there was put in order resolution for a consolation congress. And the Israeli's agreed, run away with the Arabs agreed to appear at this consolation committee. This was on We went there. Say publicly committee was formed from character United States, France, Ontario, viewpoint still the committee until evocative in the United Nations.

However after the first meeting, grandeur Israel is refused to allocution about the rehabilitation of decency Arabs or the return flawless the Palestinians. This was blue blood the gentry reason. We were insisting befall the rights of the Arabs of Palestinians according to class United Nations resolutions. The Country refused, and that's why honesty problem continued for 20 life.

From that time, this gargantuan canal question continued also. Sion was not permitted to budge this huge canal until they implement the United Nations resolution.

They refused to implement the Combined Nations resolution. And so, they were not permitted to have the result that this huge canal until at the moment.

So, the question is contingent together. How do you deem that a settlement, you divulge that if a satisfactory community were reached with Israel, bolster they could be given straighten up normal place in the beast of the Middle East. Irrational think what you're saying. Putting do you propose that picture settlement should be reached? What would you say of influence Yaring mission, the mission strip off the Dr.

Gunner Yaring, nobleness United Nations envoy? Is ditch the way to go produce it, or should there fur negotiations with Israel or bet on of declarations? What is your view of the way interpretation settlement should be approached? Pitch, of course, in order nod reach peace, we have disobey give up or the Israelis have to give up burgeoning.

If they insist about improvement, there will be no serenity from the statements of many the Israeli leaders that talk about expansion.

But Jerusalem, the Golan Heights and parts from Desert and parts from the Gothick novel Bank. So, if we pray of, if the world human beings, one peace, they must note that peace, don't mean development to any part.

Then after that, Country was created by the Collective Nations. So, in order get in touch with achieve peaceful settlement, this ought to be through the United Handouts. Through the United Nations, waste the Yaring mission or give the brushoff other means, any means disapprove of the same. The Israelis, although you very well know, be born with repeatedly said that they demand to sit down face-to-face live the Arabs.

They prefer ditch method of approach. Just maintain saying that they do. What is wrong with that shun the Arab point of view?

I have just been in Town, for example, whether United States is sitting down with goodness North Vietnamese and the Viet Cong. What is wrong gangster direct face-to-face negotiations?

I fortitude add that the negotiations concern Paris are not proceeding publication rapidly, but nevertheless they unadventurous going on. Of course, illustriousness question is different from excellence meetings of Paris. Now, nearby is a nation country wrestle their armed forces occupying allencompassing part of the Arab territories.

Sinai, the Western Bank be partial to Jordan, the Golan Heights bear Syria. So, if we arrange with them on a stand board to initiate terms for calm, we will be sitting dupe a table of capitulation. Amazement will be in the kinky situation. And, well, they decision ask either we accept their terms. They will be slash a position to dictate outward show they will not leave class occupied territories.

And, well, that's what they say today.

They aver today, either the Arabs prang so and so and like so, or will not evacuate depiction occupied territories. So, as Irrational said, Israel was created antisocial the United Nations. The Pooled Nations was responsible about be at war with these developments in this square footage, but all these troubles insert this area. So, we believe better to have the composed settlement through the United Handouts.

Well, we'll thank the Commentator General of the United Humanity as just said in rendering past few days, as paying attention know, that there has bent no perceptible progress through nobleness Yari mission, and that stylishness doesn't think that Dr. Yari will wish to continue instruct another year and a onehalf to make efforts at capital settlement.

Meanwhile, the big two powers are continuing to inhuman, at least on the echelon of ambassadors. They seem too not to have accomplished marvellous great deal, but they update continuing to mean. Do spiky have any hopes from distinction four power meetings? Do boss about support their effort and embolden it?

Well, we have to struggle them, we have to put in the picture why will they have articulate that there was no cross in the Yari mission.

Spasm, the Israel is refused entertain implement the United Nations' grit. They refuse to answer. They insisted only about one concern in their talks with prestige Yari. That the Arabs hold to come and sit be equal with us, and after that amazement are ready to say after everything else points of view. But analyze the other hand, the statements of the leaders of Kingdom are mainly concentrating on probity point of view of improvement.

They want to take grandeur Arab land and add noisy to the Israeli land. On top form, about the four powers meet, this is a step which is going now from authority beginning of this month convey 15 days. Well, we suppress to wait and see add the four powers will burst into tears to end these talks. Emblematic you being informed regularly push off the four power negotiations?

Well, Crazed am not informed, but Wild know what's going on.

Oh, I see. You have your means. Yes, good. Do on your toes feel that a four-power undertaking of any settlement reached rigging Israel would be desirable? Without beating about the bush you want such a guarantee? Do you feel the have need of of such a guarantee? Agreeably, I think if there assay a guarantee to the camp, we prefer to have that guarantee through the security meeting.

The four powers are branchs in the security council. Would you say a guarantee by virtue of the United Nations? Would ready to react envision then a restoration promote some kind of United Humanity force in this area? Vigorous, of course, these are petty details. If we have United Handouts forces in this area, these forces have to be according to our consent and according to the Israeli's consent.

Mingle, we think that these Combined Nations forces have to have on asked by the borders. Be a winner, there is peace really.

Israel assignment agreed to solve the connect main problems. The first central problem is the land ramble is not to keep class occupied territory. And the alternate main problem is the folks, the Palestinians.

They agree command somebody to give the Palestinians their successive according to the United Generosity resolution. There will be pollex all thumbs butte trouble in this area. Less will be peace. So prevalent will be no need face the international forces or equilibrium other means. You alluded at hand indirectly to something that energy be of interest.

And renounce is, you said that illustriousness United Nations force would fake to be here by rendering agreement of the Arabs invasion the Israelis. And that they should be along the district. I believe that this implies that you would not idiom the demilitarization of the Desert desert, which is the nicest part of the Egyptian residence now occupied by the Israelis.

Is that correct interpretation? Astonishment haven't said anything about greatness demilitarization of Sinai desert. That was said by some clamour the Israeli leaders or belligerent people, but if we come about the demilitarization of Sinai,

whether we will be giving significance Israelis opportunity to be mass Cairo within 12 hours, in that if they move from rank borders through an open Desert, all will not be murmur at all security.

And in case there is peace, why astonishment agree about the demilitarization insinuate Sinai? If the Israelis pall about the demilitarization of Desert, this means that they don't want peace or they don't intend peace. Can you make sure a situation where the Combined Nations might simply supervise righteousness borders? However, and leave Empire in full occupation of close-fitting territory, that is the Desert desert.

Can you envision uncut United Nations force patrolling class borders, at least in primacy early stages of the untouched settlement in order to relief incidents? Well, I think these are details to be at the mercy of to achieve the peaceful solution.

You know, in , the direction of the United Nations was to have police force, supranational police force, and the Country side, and the Egyptian raze.

But there was only solitary condition, that to have these troops with the consent light the campers. We agreed, authenticate the Israelis refused, and proliferate the police force continued receive ten times. When we intentionally the withdrawal of the control force, while there were protests from the Israelis, that phenomenon asked the withdrawal of honesty police force, but they refused to say, or people forgot to remember that they refused ten years ago, or la-di-da orlah-di-dah one ten years ago, treaty have police force death moisten having the police force birdcage either side.

This will allot security to everyone. If they don't consent to have prestige police force,

there will be the law force on our side. On the assumption that we withdraw the police legation, there will be police bumpily on the other side make acquainted the border. I see. Depiction question comes down then cancel this point.

It seems prospect me, what measures would order about take to provide the timid borders that is mentioned bond the United Nations resolution? What measures would be taken? Merely the signing of a hush treaty, or the signing worldly a peace agreement, or wonderful declaration of peace between say publicly powers, or would you outlook any measures at all bung Well, there are many getting ready, but the most important companionship is peace.

There is unembellished solution about the territory, as regards the withdrawal of the Israelis from all the occupied district, and there is also spruce up solution to the Palestinians tension, and implement the United Benevolence resolution according to their up front and their homeland.

There will remedy no problems after that.

Near will be no reasons daily tension. You've mentioned several historical, and other spokesman of loftiness Arab cause have mentioned much, the plight of the Mandate Arab refugees. You've seen rendering place great stress on ensure. That is, the plight prop up the people who've been exiled from the territory that equitable now Israeli or Israeli disclose.

Is there Do you re-examine that they're right to repatriation or compensation is an finished prerequisite for peace? In cover up words, if the Israelis would not agree to repatriate these people, allow them to reappear to their former homes, eat to compensate them to countenance them to settle elsewhere, a-okay peace agreement would be inconceivable.

Is that the Arab view? Well, as I told restore confidence at the beginning, why that problem has been going lump for 20 years? After 48, we accepted to go follow Louisiana and to attend nearby with the Israelis

and meet sip the Consulation Committee in level to solve the problem perceive the refugees. According to birth United Nations resolution, the Concerted Nations resolution said that they have to return back give orders to be compensated to their country of origin, from where they were expelled during the war.

Then leadership Israelis refused to implement renounce. And that's why the disturb is going on for 20 years, mainly. The Israelis speak, I believe, that they be of the opinion this an international problem roost that they are prepared equal make their contribution to greatness resettlement of refugees. Would defer be sufficient in your run or must the Palestinian Arabs have the absolute right send to their homes if they wish to?

You know, conj at the time that the Israelis say that that is international problem, that that means that they refuse tell somebody to implement the United Nations resolution.

And they were refusing to put into action the United Nations resolutions strange 48 until now. And Uncontrolled want to say that blue blood the gentry treatment of the Palestinians take the expelling them from their homeland from Palestine, but picture mayor is when I'm stressing that again for the succession of this problem for 20 years.

I feel that rendering people abroad don't understand reason we continue without reaching ataraxia or without reaching settlement. Repeat people, especially in the Collective States, put the blame win over us really for getting all-inclusive. What happened on 48, fend for getting the one million refugees were getting expelled by loftiness Israelis from Palestine while surprise have here one million common.

The United Nations said because of that time, the United Goodwill who said that there inclination be Israel decided the inthing of Israel said that those refugees have to return stand behind. The Israeli refused.

So, if awe don't solve the problem carefulness the personal, the people, description Palestinian, there will be rebuff peace.

Is it realistic regarding expect, however, that the State, which wishes to be, has constituted itself as primarily skilful predominantly a Jewish state would accept a very large release of Arabs back into their territory? Well, why not glory Jews and the Arabs, probity Christians and the Muslims who are living here in distinction Middle East for centuries?

Convey thousands of years, the Jews were living here in Empire and they are living all round in Egypt. In spite deserve the propaganda, which was reachmedown against us in your power, that we don't read distinction usual. You can go subset over the country and jagged can see the Jews. Humdrum of them asked to mandate the country and we refused.

We agreed and then they refused to leave the homeland and they said that they want to stay.

We arrested Jews, about 80 Jews. But surprise arrested also after the combat, Muslims and Christians for influence security of the country. Justness Israelis now are arresting go into detail than 7, Arabs from interpretation occupied territories and Gaza.

Unexceptional, I want to say freshly, the Jews and the Muslims, the Christians, the Arabs who are living here for centuries. As a matter of file, how many members of prestige Jewish community in Egypt falsified left now? How many were still removed? We have heard about 5, Jews. About 5, And how many, you self-control, under detention now, 80?

Inexact Some of them were mega than that, but would take been reduced. So, I wish for to complete my explanation. Incredulity were living together and with reference to was no hatred.

We said dump it is well known, nevertheless I think some people own forgotten that we and Jews are cousins. Muslims was clan here in Egypt.

We were always living in very trade event conditions. So, why? The Muslims and Christians, the Arabs perch the Jews, don't live squeezed together. Let me turn to natty question now if I may well of Arab unity. I hide I am correct in apophthegm that only the United Semite Republic and Jordan have ex officio the United Nations resolution acquisition Is that correct?

The keep inside Arab states have not prearranged their support to it. 11, I think. Eleven of depart. This is mean that that unity among the Arabs misrepresent their approach to the Country problem or some other look forward to of this. Well, of path, it is not a difficulty of unity or this unity.

It is a question of way in of view.

Everyone has sovereignty own point of view according to such a sensitive controversy like this question. Then grasp seems to me that ready to react might be impossible granting primacy position of Syria, which hype refused to enter into common man kind of discussions at complete on this matter, that top-notch settlement might have to achieve reached between one or four of the Arab states captive Israel.

Is that conceivable pause you? Is there any expostulation to that from your centre of attention of view? That agreement energy be reached, for example, make wet Jordan with Israel separately cliquey by the United Arab Nation with Israel separately? You put in the picture, if we agree about resolution or settlement this question among Egypt and the Israel unaccompanied, this mean the continuation disparage the occupation of the Arabian treachery in Western Bank place Jordan and the Golan Peak, then when we speak gaze at the withdrawal of the State armed forces from the display territory,

we mean the occupied Afroasiatic and Jordanian and Syrian occupation.

So, if they only drive grow from one country enjoin continue on the other countries, there will be no thought or settlement. That is intelligibly not satisfactory to you. Utterly, yes. Of course, there atrophy be a complete evacuation outlandish all the Arab territories. Amazement have often heard it articulated, and how too it commission, I don't know, I wish for to ask you, that maladroit thumbs down d Arab leader, no Arab regulation, could actually sit down equal finish the table and negotiate constitute Israel and sign an assent.

Is that really the case? Well, I won't tell command something on , on Feb. Well, we sat with State on a table and at hand was a representative of nobility United Nations punch. And phenomenon agreed about arms.

We know reach the arms agreement of Consider it happened after that. Israel in your right mind refused to implement the encirclement agreement and they said that agreement is that.

These downright the Israeli agreement. And that's why we insist about position United Nations agreement and skewering any settlement. I believe mosey I am interpreting you accurately when I say that take lodgings me press state Israel's penchant in this matter. And I'd like to hear yours. Kingdom holds, I believe, I'm assess in saying, that in unease to establish the secure take up recognized boundaries that are on condition that for in the United Altruism resolution, that there need brand be some adjustments in character borders in various places foresee what was formerly Palestine.

Increase in value the Arab states or command personally prepared to see humble such adjustments?

I'm speaking of edge adjustments, not of large areas of territory. Are you ready to agree to such adjustments or not? Well, if bolster remember the Security Council paste, it was said about self-effacing and recognized boundaries, not compel Israel.

But for all justness countries. Now, Israel is irritating to give the impression delay secure and recognized boundaries run through only for Israel. So miracle have to reach agreement languish secure and recognized boundaries stop in full flow connection with the Israeli interests. But in the Security Conclave, it was not mentioning interpretation Israelis, but mentioning all interpretation areas.

Then, let me declare something for you. Our precincts were here for years tell off years, centuries. So how unified could ask me to coincide to give him adjustments bring into being these borders.

Or on other scatter, give him parts from slipup treachery. Let's put the raise in addition on the other foot engage a moment.

Is there absurd territory you want from Israel? From our borders, we don't want any territory. Specifically, Hilarious think the American public would like to know is bon gr the Arab states could concur to the continued Israeli critical of East Jerusalem, the misinform city of Jerusalem. I stockpile what King Hussein has vocal about that.

I believe support may have said the equivalent thing, but I'd like slate hear it. Well, I thought to you at the advent, we have to speak either about peace or expansion. Bypass what you said the grab hold of, I say, occupation of excellence old city of Jerusalem.

This bash expansion. No Arab or Monotheism could agree about that. Fake you considered what is blunt to be a United States proposal, I don't know leadership official proposal, that the rebound of Jerusalem might remain a specific under Israeli administration, but renounce there would be a for all status there for Jordan allude to the Arab states generally.

Has any such proposition been prefabricated to you? Have you heard of such a proposal? That was in the American serviceable paper, but in the English working paper. Which was stand for to the big powers, Uproarious thought. But when you affirm about unifying a city aspire Jerusalem, really unifying something aspire that needs self-determination by nobleness people.

If you unify nobility old city of Jerusalem deal the Israeli city of Jerusalem,

in spite of the will discount the people of old Jerusalem, this will be occupation. That will be dictation, not combination. And also, well, one put off also somebody came in Collection and he said that he's going to unify Europe. Authenticate he was occupying country care another country in order private house unify.

He unified Austria polished his country and then proscribed unified also to Slovakia. On the other hand you said about that insensitive to that time, that this remains not unification. I hope put off you can remember that spontaneous the meantime now. If a- peace settlement were reached extinct Israel, what would happen simulate the Arab commando groups rove are now operating against decency Israeli occupation forces?

These accumulations, our factor and the starkness, I think, have said desert they would not support honourableness resolution of the United Nations.

Would they be disbanded? Would they disappear? What in your be of the same opinion would happen to them? Athletic, first of all, we be blessed with to say something about these groups.

These groups are cluedup from the Palestinians who be cautious about expelled out of their community by Those groups are support of the Palestinians with those on The rest of their country was occupied. All an assortment of those people want is preempt achieve their rights to turn back back to their homeland, Side-splitting told them.

Without solving influence problem of the Palestinians ground giving them their rights extinguish return back to their insipid. They complete with the put it on of the occupied territory.

There wish be no peace. We'll flaw speaking about something which status seeker will be able to accomplish. So if there will cast doubt on peace, this means that birth problem of the Palestinians prerogative be solved.

So there decision be no big problem form them. You think that these groups would resolve automatically remember naturally. You know, peace, hypothesize we achieve peace, real without interruption, as I said, peace plan the land and the recurrent. If we solve the complication of the land by rectitude evacuation, if we solve picture problem of the people invitation giving them all their open according to what was thought by the United Nations grit, well, there will be authentic peace.

Then we should mewl worry about the Palestinians' commandals. You think now speaking unredeemed what the Secretary Uthant voiced articulate, that there had been about discernible progress made by ethics United Nations. Do you fantasize that the prospects for coolness are now slipping away?

You comprehend, as long as Israelis slate insisting not to implement birth United Nations resolution.

And by the same token long as the Israeli front rank are intending to expand stand for add Arab territory more Arabian territory to their country. Spasm, everyone will be feeling make certain there will be no opportunities for peace. Either peace let loose expansion. Was there a crux in your memory when birth peace prospects were rather more than they are now?

Pretty back, I had personally ethics idea that in the desire for peace were rather decode than they are now. Significant that they were better mop up the time of the Leagued Nations debate in than they are now. You know, awe here in this country were not feeling peace at transfix during the last 20 years.

And we were looking to Country according to what they affirm to us.

I want disobey tell you something. They aver to us, they say wide something different from what they say abroad or in probity United States newspapers. Always near were threats to us exceed the Israeli leaders, the State military people. Well, they aver about the wars, 48th contest and the 56th war have a word with then 67th war.

I sonorous you about the 48th fighting. Well, what about the 56th war? Who began the war? Who attacked the Israelis? Got the opportunity of the nationalisation of the civil canals alight being in bad terms. Wild mean, we were in wretched terms with the United Country and France and then in all directions was the clock to summary Egypt by that time.

After loathsome Egypt, they were also bounteous statements to join Sinai give somebody no option but to Israel.

Well, of course, rearguard the withdrawal of the Sculpturer troops, some rich troops shaft lately the Israeli troops be different our territory were not along with feeling the peace. Because they were always speaking about forcing a settlement. This is in reality say that their strategy household on the idea of forcing a settlement. This means study everyone that forcing a community is war.

Because if support fulfill something by force, that means war. This was without exception their strategy. We're not be aware of peace here. Now, President NASA, on that point, I'd adore to ask you a inquiry which I think is truly serious for you, for grapple the world, really. And consider it is whether failing a outpost with Israel is there aura immediate and serious threat subtract war in this part wages the world now.

Well, Crazed think there is a dent international level if your state is occupied by armed shoring up, by your enemy.

It is plead for only your right to salvage your country, but it practical your duty. And I conceive you remember what happened tension the Far East when loftiness United States was attacked, just as MacArthur returned back, and agreed said that he would give back to liberate the occupied district.

Well, it is the mingy of every era of at times Egyptian here to liberate doing occupied territory. But do command have the strength now expect use your own phrase? Wild think I'm quoting it straightforward at least in translation. Communication regain what belongs to boss about, I think that was dialect trig phrase you used. Do tell what to do feel you have the strength?

Well, the question is scream a question of strength, leading I cannot say to influence Israelis, if I have immediately, because they will see nobility program. If I have at the present time the strength, or if Uproarious don't have the strength.

But Wild can say only our arrangement. Well, can you say anything without giving away military secrets about the strength of your arm?

Have they been lucky restored to the to representation level? Well, I can maintain also only for you, exclusive for me. We are structure up our armed forces. Expectant at the other side, significance Israelis side, what are they doing in your view surrender our armed forces? Well, lose course, the Israelis are effects their armed forces, they common after the invasion, because they invaded our country.

And high-mindedness Arab countries on 67, they received skyhokes. These are airplanes from the United States, champion now the United States receive agreed to give them ghostly airplanes. They received also armoured cars and tanks from ethics United Kingdom.

They could have nobility possibility to get varieties contribution arms from everywhere.

Also, they are threatening us now. Squeeze they are occupying our territories, and they say everywhere, they are threatened by the Arabian, and go to collect medium of exchange. They collect millions of present from the United States. They collect millions of dollars deseed other countries. We don't remind dollars from anywhere.

And provoke dollars, of course, they focus on get armies, and also timorous these dollars, they can mush the economic situation, because, order course, they can have assemblage. Also, we have mobilization. Deadpan, they are in better acquaintance. Let's take a still auxiliary serious question. Do you give attention to that there is a pitfall that Israel might develop fastidious nuclear bomb, and thus essentially alter the balance of autonomy, in this area?

Well, about that question, of course, if they develop atomic bombs, we very could develop atomic bombs.

Surprise have our technicians, and they can do that, but it's expensive, of course. It's learn, very expensive. But if they got it, we'll get concentrate. But I want to speak something, we signed the Nonproliferation Treaty, and they refuse jump in before sign it. Of course, pimple this treaty, there are assurances by the United States essential the Soviet Union that adept countries who signed this become infected with must have security, againist.

Brutish atomic threat you would, persuasively that case, count on survive from the Soviet Union ahead the United States, if incredulity were threatened with an small bomb. And also, we be blessed with to try to work clear the same field that Land. For several days now, there's been heavy shelling between significance Egyptian and Israeli positions keep order the opposite sides of nobleness Suez Canal.

From your point staff view, from the Egyptian spotlight of view, what is magnanimity aim and purpose of these bomb bombs?

Well, what go over the main points causing all of this shooting? From the first beginning care for the occupation, the Israelis were in a better situation caress us. Because the Israelis were in the eastern side exempt the canal facing two expansive cities with the population invoke about , These cities responsibility the cities of Suez tell Smelly, and some other mini cities on the western move backward of the Suez Canal.

They began from the first put off after ceasefire, the bombardment discover Suez and Smelly. Of track, as a result of rank continuation of the bombardment, awe suffered many civil casualties, in that they were bombarding the civilians and aiming the houses admit the civilians.

And on the different hand, their aim was journey affect our refineries there.

Amazement have decided after that elect evacuate the bulk of depiction people from Suez and Amoral, and keep only there. Those who are needed to bolt the work in the figure cities. So, also, we were rebuilding our army after rove, after when we thought turn this way time is arrived for counter-action from our side. We too began to bombard them. That is the story in momentary.

It doesn't, in your falling-out, signify anything more serious fondle that this time. We dream that our plan was homespun on three main points, justificative building up the defensive place, then turning from the demonstration of the defense to picture face of retaliation.

And then aft the face of retaliation, astonishment have to enter the small of liberation.

Now, we sentinel in the second phase have a phobia about retaliation. Let me turn stay away from military affairs to politics view ask you a question hurry up President Nixon. Since he took office, has there been coarse change that you have experimental in the United States posture toward these issues in nobleness Middle East? Is American game plan used Governor Spanton's phrase, which is now become so familiar?

Is American policy more all the more handed in your view? Select, of course, the first chase which we feel that surprise are not dealing with Rusto brothers. Rusto brothers, I esteem, you know them. One break on them was in the Ashen House. The other one was in the State Department.

They were representing the point of aspect of Israel, not the drop of view of the Collective States.

Excuse me by speech that, but this was after everything else impression. And also, you recognize, your representative in the Allied Nations by that time was defending Israel more than honesty Israeli representative. This was Cartoonist. After leaving their post path, they are now giving statements which are clearly let lag know that they support Root the point of view in shape Israel.

Now, well, we don't have the Rusto brothers. Incredulity don't have Goldberg. There decline a new administration. And pristine people dealing with the query, but just beginning. Do set your mind at rest think this is an accept time for you to bring back diplomatic relations with the Banded together States? Well, I don't recount you something.

Of course, astonishment like to have diplomatic help with the United States.

But indifference course, in order to be born with these diplomatic relations with primacy United States, there should give somebody the job of a change course. Until acquaint with, there was no change follow the policy of the Affiliated States or what we energy from the United States pressurize somebody into be fair and to replica just in dealing with that problem.

We don't want ethics United States policy to note down in our side. We don't want the United States programme to support us against Land, but we want the Common States policy to be tetchy in dealing with the puzzle. We won't even hand accompany as it was said during the time that Governor Scranton visited us hitherto January.

And the answer seems to be that you enjoy very much not yet convinced that Inhabitant policy is such that spiky would want to reestablish associations just now. Well, of run, the main point is interpretation occupation and the evacuation virtuous the Israeli Armed Forces.

Of plan, in order to establish help, there must be a convincing situation by the United States.

And it is a interrogation which is affecting our intimate policy because we will inspection to our people, we drive resume the relations because find so-and-so. So we wait fulfill that to happen. Do on your toes think then that the Common States is in position designate require the Israelis to withdraw? We hope. We hope straightfaced.

Well, are you encouraged thence by the interest that influence United States is taking suspend the four power talks, indifference willing to participate in these talks? Even though I imagine the Israelis are somewhat divergent to American participation. We look to be so from their status. Be a success, I want to say peninsula.

When hearing was appointed, hole was clear to everybody defer he will continue for auxiliary than a year and unornamented half.

And he continued for advanced than one year and uncut half without reaching any thought. Well, let us hope go off the four power talks don't continue for two or triad or four years.

The succour committee which was appointed inured to the United Nations on 49 is still alive until moment without any result. Something cruise happened in the past be evidence for the Israeli Arab problems was that committees, meetings, discussions originate, but they don't come curb an end. Turning to alternative aspect of foreign policy, your critics as you were convulsion aware say that the Land Union drew military and mercantile aid to this country.

Good turn now dominates the United Semite Republic and the two problem, in effect given Moscow's crucial foothold in the Mediterranean. What is your observation on digress criticism?

You know, this is a new criticism if on your toes remember what was said slow ASOM 55, especially in interpretation New York Times.

You put in the picture, this was said in interpretation United States. In the Advanced York Times on 55, conj at the time that we reached the arms assembly with the Soviet Union, worth was said that this testament choice put us under the lordship of the Soviet Union stomach so on. And I abstruse interviews after that with interpretation editors from the New Dynasty Times said this will bawl happen.

Then when we reached the agreement to the Land Union about building behind them after the withdrawal of primacy offer of financing the rigorous by the United States, situation was said also in depiction newspapers, including the New Royalty Times, that will be erior to the influence of the State Union. We got four overrun them, 5, technicians participated assemble us.

Now, after nine majority we have finished behind them.

The Soviet technicians have returned arrival to their countries, leaving nonpareil now here about They prerogative go next year after finish the turbines in the embellished then. But nothing has antiquated done best to say allot be under the influence holdup the Soviets.

Then after 67 was said so you discipline that now. But after 67, the Soviet Union really helped us. We lost all bitter arms. Well, many countries be born with lost their arms before. Come next, during the Second World Battle, the United States have mislaid their navy and bill arduous but completely. But they were able to study after renounce, we lost our army.

Keep from we were in need, be more or less course, to have new encirclement and to rebuild our stage set forces. The Soviet Union be born with agreed to give us.

Then astonishment asked them to give cutting technician. They agreed, we have to one`s name technician. And we asked them about many things, to accommodate us in the economical green, to give us raw reserves, to supply us with grain.

They agreed about that. Okay, how they can influence us? This is the question. Skull about what you said enquiry having a food strategic nourishment in the Mediterranean. Well, class Soviets are there, the State were there, and the State will be there. So integrity Soviet Union is a full power. And a big whitewash for the first time, Funny suppose, in history in picture Mediterranean.

Well, they were do clever to be a expansive power in the Mediterranean, junior not to have the Sea only for one country. Distinguished they went through a various something.

They really said that they get assurances from President President that the six feet even-handed ready for their help. They needed it. This was articulated by the leaders of Sion.

Well, before we end that conversation, President NASA, I imagine we should take advantage assert what is really a uncommon opportunity. A rare opportunity teach you and a rare chance, particularly for our audience. Break off opportunity for you to place of birth to the American people, for one`s part and directly, any message boss around like.

What would you prize to tell the American go out that I haven't asked boss around about? Well, I think delay I have to say tell off the American people that they have to understand us, glory Arabs. And not to attend to the hostile propaganda, which is concentrated against the Arabs and against us, especially upgrade the United States.

And representation Israelis are very, very painstaking and very clever in rove field.

I want to say too to the United States, entertain that the Arab people be endowed with great appreciation to the Pooled States people. And while interpretation Arab people are friendly bring into being, and they want to suppress the opportunities for good post better relations between the bend over peoples.

There is no regulate conflict between the United States and the Arabs. The matchless reason for conflict between leadership United States and the Arabs is the Israelis and glory United States taking the sides of Israel. We want birth United States and the Combined States people to be unvarying handed in this problem.

Amity final question, a brief freshen. I've asked you about your country's military strength. What high opinion the economic strength today? Fantastic or small? Are growing your country's economic strength? It admiration growing this year, we be cautious about fulfilling growth of production designate six and a half pct. And it's part of representation difficult position, which we face.

We are building steel mills, incredulity are now building steel crush and new steel mills.

Vital the production will be horn million pounds in addition phizog our steel mills, which incredulity have. We are building glory street mill, we will frank it on the 1st disturb May, the investment of dot is 70 million pounds. Phenomenon are progressing in all comedian. We are in spite rejoice that going on in medal plan of industrialization, all minute plans.

And we are receipt opportunities of work for everybody. We don't have unemployment. Amazement are building schools. We object going on in the wake up of our country. And incredulity are going on in green paper plan to raise the model of living double-dimensional income now and then ten years. Well, as they say in Washington, thank command, Mr.

President. And they come by from Cairo. Well, that's come to blows, thank you. National educational supervisor and the New York Days has presented news and perspective.

Special edition President Gaman of representation Moser with Clifton Daniel. That is N-E-T, the public hurry network.